students can post in the way they feel safety I've spoken to quite a few students he particularly students with English is this additional language and they're really scared of posting on their board because in a class you can say something and it's stupid and everyone forgets bit on a discussion board it stays there and I think that makes it very different in terms of how the actual action of doing it first you don't say I think those really safe spaces at the beginning they're really really important just like what's your pet who's your name or a poll of who's and and obviously as a way of opening up they're getting CS your presence across the class so if you ask questions that how many people have used online before or how many people have you know what modules were studying before and you sort of open up to the conversations then quite often you're see students say no I did that module before as well I saw you in that class and it just it it gives them a sense of each other as well so I think those low level questions are important for that aspect of social presence as well as getting them distant confident in actually type in and putting something up there not being worried that it needs to be perfect even even subtle things like if you're in a lecture theatre you can and you present something you can look around the room and see you kind of feel like if they're getting let you do have to be aware and probe students a little bit more are you okay or you still with us and and break it up a little bit for them so that and even mention them by name and really helps and you've got the luxury online teach and as you can see the students names there it's not like you're not extra theater were 200 students and you don't know anybody's name are you and the blue coat or something okay what was your question but you can actually see the name so that bring in our connection back in and you know even before the class starts like before we do the recording we'll be chatting about you know what kind of day we had and I'll be telling them about my cat annoy me or the dog or something I got there I'll be saying I'm going make yourself a cup of tea or something to come back and I'm gonna start the recording at this time how are you doing he's getting on that's a lovely part offer to so people think that online teaching is very this is the classroom online you teach you come off it but there's not there's so much more to it and even up pre and posts and sometimes what I've done as I said to students I leave the room open for a little while for you if you want to have a little chat together and I've gone off and then I've come back and sometimes they don't take that up and they all go off and I go off but a lot of times they do and they sit and have a little chat together and that's that's you know that's part of that social presence as well it's really important so you can do it but you just have to work a little bit more off to making sure that you're doing