okay you're all most welcome my name is Catherine Cronin and I'm speaking to you from the National Forum office in Dublin and my co-moderator in the webinar here is Leo Farrell and we are delighted to be joined by our guest speaker today Jenna and Wetzler who is the director of open education at Creative Commons and in today's webinar genuine will will deliver the first part of the webinar which is really just an introduction to oer and open licensing and specifically how to use Creative Commons licenses to do that and I'll follow up with some specific details about oh we are to support teaching and learning and how the National Forum is is supporting that and as you can see from our title slide back here this station itself isn't a we are so you can see the CC by license in the lower right hand corner and we'll talk more about the details of that license and other licenses during the webinar we have a doc set up which those of you who have arrived early hopefully have found your way to a document that has the link to the slides and also plays that we can collect questions during the webinar that we can leave plenty of time to answer at the end I will thank the people who who went ahead and added some questions to to that document before the webinar took place the very first question that was posted there was about what open means particularly in terms of access and equity and this is a very important question so I want to say to preface the webinar entirely that this is really designed for beginners to open educational resources and open licensing I know that some of you are here in the webinar have some experience so some of what we say will be familiar to you but we know from our discussions across the sector and from wider research that this kind of foundational understanding is is what's important for most people so that's what this is geared at is just people just being introduced to the whole notion of what we are an open licensing the simplest definition in terms of resources at least is that open means not just that the resource is free but that it also comes with a set of permissions about how you can use that resource and genuine we'll talk about that in a lot more detail but it's definitely not straightforward there either certainly a lot of complexities and hopefully we can get into that in the discussion at the end so before I introduce Jan Hren and her presentation I would just like to say a few words about the National Forum and our mission in support in terms of supporting open education so the National Forum is a national body for the sake of those of you who might be from outside Ireland national body that supports collaboration and enhancement of teaching and learning in higher education in Ireland and two months ago as a preface to some of our activities this year in terms of open education we published this forum insight which is just a short documentary which explains really why we are according open education in Ireland so a key objective of the National Forum since 2013 has been to builds digital capacity and capabilities to enhance teaching and learning and within this developing and implementing open education principles and practices that are aligned with EU policy and emerging international practice is part of our mission so this webinar is really in line with that and if you'd like to find out more about what the National Forum is doing in terms of open education there's a short URL on the screen there we can find this particular forum in site and the resources that we're creating and I just tagged on there also some of the some of the hashtags that we use when we share information on Twitter a couple of people were asking me about these so there's a series of NS hashtags that we use around which are really National Forum initiatives so NF digital is anything that goes out in the National Forum space around digital and then dig hei e is being used broadly by anyone who wants to share anything around digital initiatives and teaching and learning particularly in higher education in Ireland and a year ago at the ed tech conference we launched this kind of open education in Ireland community of practice so if you want to share anything about open education in higher education in Ireland you can just tag it with the open ed ie hash tag and other people will find it and in terms of welcomes before I introduce general I just want to say that I want to give a special welcome to we have a number of audiences a special welcome to project teams who are working on teaching and learning enhancement projects which have National Forum funding because as you know all of the work of the national forum that we do and that is done through our projects is shared openly and we know that some of our partners in those projects need support for how to do that so this webinar is really designed specifically for those projects but we also know that people are joining us from higher education institutions from further education and secondary from business you know all over Ireland and Beyond Ireland so I just want to say I know there are a lot of audiences here in the webinar and we want to welcome you all so with that I would like to give a very special welcome to genuine Wetzler who is the assistant director of Creative Commons gener works closely with someone who some of you may know in Creative Commons and genuine has accepted an invitation to join us today to go into a little bit more depth about Creative Commons itself and how Creative Commons licences can be used to create who we are and support teaching and learning so thanks very much genin thank you so much for having me so just bear with me for one second I'm going to share my screen which is just a continuation of our PowerPoint one second okay can everyone see the PowerPoint again hopefully that's yep okay great so it's a pleasure to be here I really appreciate the opportunity that Catherine's provided and it's great to to connect with international colleagues so recognizing that many of you probably have a longer experience in open education than I do or more expertise I really welcome the discussion and would love to hear from you so either in the Q&A after this or you're welcome to email me at any time general net creativecommons.org and I know I share my Twitter handle later on but I'll be honest I'm at best a lurker on Twitter so the best option is just my main email address okay so this licensed presentation is kind of nested almost nested within the National Forum presentation that captains made available I wanted to share this attribution statement right off the bat so he knew that all of the content that I share is openly licensed it's there for you to use to draw from to remix with other resources that you might want to we'll make it available after this presentation and this is possible because this presentation is CC by licensed so this allows creators to give permissions to users to remix and and use as they like as long as they give attribution so here's my attribution statement this is within the the National Forum presentation which is also cc-by and we can get a little bit more into how these these pieces of content can mix together later on in the presentation okay so in this presentation I will give you a quick overview of Creative Commons and how we got started I'll also just talk a little bit more broadly about some of the concepts of open education and oh we are as Catherine mentioned the term open can be a little bit confusing depending on the audiences and who's using that term and then we'll actually launch right into how to find and use oer and also how to create and share which can be a little bit more complicated I actually run a certificate course that Creative Commons for the last two bullet points so we spend about 10 weeks delving into this and a little bit more depth so please know if if there's anything that I'm rushing through right now it's only because we don't have 10 weeks together but happy to share more information about the certificate course later if anyone's interested all right so what is Creative Commons Creative Commons as many of you likely know but maybe some some don't is a nation that builds and stewards the legal tools technologies and programs that power open movements are on the world you can learn more about us that Creative Commons work but in a little bit of our history we were created in 2001 as a response to a challenge folks mostly in the u.s. we're facing about copyrighting so many of you know copyright is the area of law that regulates the way products of human creativity are used so products of human creativity can be anything from a squiggle on a napkin someone writes down in a bar to I'm an academic book or article music art etc songs so copyright grants an exclusive set of rights to the Creator so the Creator has the ability to prevent others from copying or adapting her work for a set amount of time and that time varies by country copyright law was actually first created during the era of the printing press so it's focused on regulating copy on regulating who is allowed to copy and share with whom but we're obviously not in the era of the printing press anymore so we're now in this much more information abundant resource abundant era of the Internet so while copyright places restrictions on sharing creations the internet provides obviously plenty of opportunities to share access adapt resources collaborate on on creations and and access things at a much lower cost so Creative Commons helps creators around the world share their works in a legal way with the terms that best suit them we provide the public domain tools and open licenses that have become the global standard for sharing and so far this is not a total estimate a full estimate but we have over 1.4 billion works that are open licensed on 9 million websites and these works are used by different global movements and open education and arts and culture government science more and forgive me I've got a little bit of a cold so I might be taking sips of tea during our presentation so let's just jump right into open education open education at its heart is about sharing this is a sometimes an umbrella term that can be used for the mix of educational resources practices policies and communities that can ideally provide broad access to effective learning opportunities for everyone the definition that I i've liked in the past is open education is about using open resources to expand our collaborative inclusive accessible and active learning and our pedagogy it's about giving more agency and opportunity to students and to teachers so in terms of the umbrella term that captures our resources practices policies and community I want to unpack that just a little bit more so we've got open educational resources which we'll talk about a minute we've got open practices which can include collaborative pedagogical practices fostering interaction and peer learning knowledge creation and sharing an empowerment of learners they are a way for learners and teachers to to develop new approaches to co-create knowledge so it's it's more of an empowerment of learners and teachers together which I really like policies are formal regulations that that focus on supporting these practices and the resources that fund them that focus on the adoption and use of oer and also practices so we've got the resources the practices the policy and then in terms of communities I think of it as an open education global movement there are a number of different communities each with their own unique needs around the world that are contributing to this broader access to to education so um just a few points about open education has a global movement um I think there were a couple questions about some of this I wanted to spend a moment on this open as a term can get confusing open education is related but distinct from the other open movement so there are open movements in scientific knowledge and research that's open access there's open data which is focused on making research data freely available for anyone to use download offline analyze reprocess and so on there's also open source which refers to open source code so the term open can be applied kind of at a meta level to a number of different movements but also I wanted to note that open can be a term that is used by different stakeholders or even used I suppose a misused in some ways so people can apply open to platform resources or practices that are actually closed or not easily accessible with the widest permissions available to reach the widest number of audiences available sometimes at least here we call that open washing where on an individual or entity might use open because it resonates more with the audience that they're trying to reach and access whether it's for commercial gain or otherwise and even if the source isn't fully open but they're offering so in a nutshell open can get confusing and I fully appreciate that um in terms of the global education movement we would have to go back many many decades probably over half a century to to look at some of the beginning steps there have been a lot of pivotal events that have shaped open education and the movement that we have today but I did want to highlight one in particular one the Cape Town declaration in particular that I think summarizes the ideals of open education and this was a kind of foundational document that hundreds of learners and educators governments and educational institutions signed in 2007 so the Cape Town declaration aims to create a world where each and every person on earth can access and contribute to the sum of all human knowledge which is a pretty lofty goal and I think something that really connects so many different communities in this movement together so this goal is also supported by UNESCO um UNESCO actually coined the term prior to the on the Cape Town declaration coined the term open educational resources in 2002 at a forum on the impact of open courseware for higher education and since then UNESCO has been a big advocate and promoter of we are and you'll notice if if you follow the SDGs or sustainable development goals implicit in sustainable development goal number four is a need for open education and oh we are in higher education and beyond okay so what are open educational resources so we talked about the definitions of open practices open policies open education as a movement we are are teaching learning and research materials in any medium digital or otherwise the reside in the public domain or have been released under an open license that permits no cost access use adaptation and redistribution by others with no limited restrictions so I think it's important to kind of unpack that a little bit oftentimes people think that oh we are have to be just online but that is not the case they can be intangible copy so I actually I should have made it available I have a an oer book that i often like to show people okay so this definition is one that Creative Commons holds and also that UNESCO x' recently updated and holds as well so I bring this up because I I recognize many of you may may notice different definitions of AR online depending where you're looking um some funders have different definitions and I think over the years and as the open education movement has grown and developed the definitions have also evolved so there are a number of different debates on what should be included in the definition of oer we are aligned with unesco this definition and one other note on unesco earlier this month cable green and many others were working with UNESCO member states to get a UNESCO oh we are recommendation approved and it was so I expect this will be in its final stage in November most likely I think that's what he said but this this Oh a our recommendation builds government support for all the different facets that we need to further we are so from capacity building and support of policy quality oer to sustainability models too International Cooperation and monitoring this oer recommendation is a really critical step in the evolution of this open education movement okay and creative commons focuses mostly on the licenses and the licensing part of this definition so while we have the global standard of licenses I will rech I will recognize that there are other open licenses around the world I would contend that the Creative Commons licenses are the the global standard because they're interoperable they work around the world and have the clear licensing language that lawyers around the world have worked on to kind of unify okay so another way to think about oh we are which might make things a little bit easier is by the permissions that they grant users so when you have an openly licensed educational resource that resource will allow users to make and retain their own copy of it it'll allow resources to or users to use the license resource in a wide range of ways so hypothetically if I gave you this PowerPoint you'd be welcome to use it in a video that you create although I'm not sure if you'd want to create another video there will be recording of this which I hope will be openly licensed in the oh we are also allow users to adapt modify and improve the the content as well so a lot of times you'll see Google Docs that have a Creative Commons license on that as they are improved and updated if that is that is possible without infringing on copyright because they're openly licensed so it's easy on Google Docs it's also permissible and then we've got the ability to remix so openly left essence educational research 10 be added together and we'll get into this a little bit more in a minute it can get a little bit complicated at times but you're welcome to generally making sure that the permission is aligned combine different resources together to create all new materials and then you're also allowed to share or redistribute what you create with others so it's not just sharing the original resource but sharing the offshoot and this is um this is kind of an important point not all of our our licenses allow for oh we are a couple of our licenses that include no derivatives clauses have they restrict the ability to redistribute if you've made make changes so we have our CC by n D or attribution-noderivs license and also the CC by and C and D which is the attribution and non-commercial no derivatives license that are not oh we are ok and then who uses oer we we came up with a list it's not exhaustive but it gives you an idea of the breadth and the scope of the public and cultural institutions that currently use oer i think we could break this down much further but right now this is just to give you a sense and I don't know if Kathryn has any any additional folks to add to this or any updates but we wanted to give you a sense I think this is a great kind of macro listing and what we'll do is maybe we'll dive down a little bit more deeply into the university sector after you're finished sounds great okay so why is oer important on this is an example of an a piece of openly licensed actually CC c by CC zero content that we've added into the presentation so we are important for a number of reasons they improve affordability which in turn help student success rates in learning so particularly in the u.s. there are a number of studies that have demonstrated that improving student access to educational resources on through oer in they're learning rates which makes sense there are examples at the open ed group publications and also the excuse me the okay open textbooks work excuse me one second okay we are also much more accessible than traditional resources so they allow people to better adapt the resources to meet learners needs whether those needs are based on a particular location that changes the cultural environmental or social cues they make them more available to and adaptable to learners with disabilities and their needs they also because they're more easily shared across higher ed institutions for example and a little bit more flexible they often lead to greater innovations and improvements so one example I I like to I like to give is based on a US Department of Labor initiative they created a repository for vocational training options that are all openly licensed so this is skills Commons org there you'll find a number of different syllabi and class resources on a range of different classes from all these different technical colleges in the US well one organization in Mexico found this found a I believe a solar paneling class that they they really liked so they downloaded it translated it into Spanish and then re uploaded it to the skills Commons page so now even more people with more language needs have access to this content so they not only made it adaptable to their own community but then also enhanced the resource for everyone and then finally we are also scalable so it costs much less to share resources with more people more quickly the cost is nearly zero online that's not to assume there are not hidden costs for institutions that adopt a no er curriculum but it is far more scalable than the traditional hardcopy of books for example and this is not to say that oh we are are a silver bullet or a solution to every challenge but it's just to give you a sense of why we really are passionate about oh we are and I can talk more about some of the challenges if anyone's interested probably later in the Q&A or afterward okay so now let's move on to how to find and use oer this is kind of the fun part you can find oer on the number of different repositories online i've highlighted a few here because we're seeing open education efforts at all levels of education not just higher ed we're seeing um z degrees at universities or zero textbook cost degrees mmm we're seeing the global digital library which offers openly licensed children's books in over 30 languages we're seeing and i have a number of us examples but there are plenty of others open stacks providing full courses syllabi quizzes assessments videos etc oh we are Commons is a wonderful repository for searching oer skills Commons I just mentioned Merlot is another textbook repository and you can always go to the oer world map to find out more about different we are initiatives policies etc you can search by country or by by keyword and then finally we have the CC search functionality so I want to see if I can see share that that website hopefully you guys are seeing the Creative Commons search page right now you just go to a CC search craven creativecommons.org and this is actually something that we've been building that started with images but now we're moving on to oer so what you do is you can search the commons for any um any kind of openly licensed image or resource that you want we will be adding to this regularly but I'll just give an example I'll say and I haven't tried this I don't know what's gonna come up but I'll say penguin okay and then you see a bunch of openly licensed images of penguins so these are just a few areas of where a few sources online where you can search for Oh a on in terms of how you use oer it's actually simple once you find what you want to use you share the content in the way that the crater permits based on the license and then you keep the creator's license applied to your content so you have to place the license on the content so future users also understand who made it and with what permissions so we'll get into a little bit more of that in a minute but the acronym that we like to think of is tassel it's T ASL title author source and license that's what you want to include on works that you use and also your own work okay one more second okay so how do you create and use your own oer i'm not gonna spend all that much time delving into the particulars here because i know Kathryn has a summary of the process and the National Forum open licensing toolkit on the next slide but really briefly you can share you can go to our our chooser and actually walk through a number of different questions that will yield the recommended license for you so I'll just show that really quickly one second nope not the penguins okay so hopefully you are seeing the CC license chooser you can just go to Creative Commons that org slash choose or find out more in the toolkit and this this is actually this will be updated at some point but it's a simple tool to walk you through just a very couple of a few questions that you need to answer so you start at the top licensed features that you want you have to choose whether you want adaptations of your work to be shared or not so I'll say no I don't want adaptations to be chair shared that'll change the license or yes as long as other people share the adaptations they share alike so they basically are applying the same license and using them in the same way actually they don't have to use them in the same way then we look at allow commercial use of fear of your work so I'll say no and that'll change the license or I'll say yes so then you scroll down to selected license and based on my decisions I would be best suited for an attribution share-alike 4.0 international license these are the symbols or the icons that would kind of let users know what permissions you're allowing but then you all you have to do is copy and paste this text and that icon on your document or your your resource to a lot of people know so we've got the icons we've got the language and also the link to the legal code so if you have a website then you also just copy the code down here and you could paste it on the backend of your website excuse me so these are this is kind of a really quick and dirty overview of our licensed user again we can get into more details on that I think with the next slide I will return to our side now um the other the other component of this is well there are actually a lot of nuances that we can get to in either the Creative Commons certificate course or in further discussions to kind of break down the in-depth use of we are finding them sharing them and some of the some of the ethos around this this broader open movement and community so if anyone's interested I think I have this up the Creative Commons certificate can be found here certificates that creativecommons.org and I think that's all I'll say on finding and sharing oh we are for now if you want to use existing oer in your resource things get a little bit more complicated so I'll share a couple things to keep in mind but please note that my guidance is not considered legal advice I don't have a law degree so it's technically not legal advice so when you share unadapted versions of a work within your own the content is considered collection content so if you share two or more works that are openly licensed within your own Fork and you provide that tribution that's considered a collection if you if you adopt the content that you're using then we consider that a remix or a derivative um so that remix content or derivative content is still used within your own source and we still have to kind of give attribution the same as we would with with collections so basically we have one recommended practice whether you use content in a collection or whether you remix the content um so what you want to do is and I mentioned this before is share the title author source and license tassel sorry one second so the other thing to consider when you are working with um openly licensed work that you adapt is that you have to not only um you have to make sure that not only the work is compatible with your own license work but it also allows for adaptations in the in the first place so what qualifies as an adaptation is actually complicated it depends on a country's applicable law and that that can range but we have a couple different resources on this front on this front to help so we've got an adaptors chart which I can actually click and share and then we've also got a chart excuse me for collection content so this is under our frequently asked questions page you can basically look at our chart and see sorry I'll use my mouse so you can see because my finger is not showing up on the screen for some reason you can look at the left side or actually at the top you look at the left side though for the sake of this and you select the openly licensed content that you'd like to add into your existing content let's say we use CC by then you can see where there are green checkmarks that shows that it is compatible with content that you either put in the public domain or you license CC by or you license CC by share-alike it is not compatible with non-commercial use by no derivatives or some of these other more restrictive licenses oops sorry it is non-commercial but not with no derivatives I was flipping down to buy an essay so what I like to do is just double check whenever I make a remix of content I just double check that the content on the Left matches up with a green check mark with the license I want to apply on the top right okay and then for a collection content there's also a nifty chart and this is similar so this this kind of shows the the way to to attribute your your collection content and how you can use use licensed content within your Colossians okay we also have some additional resources that we've shared with Creative Commons certificates after or certificate participants after a number of questions and challenges with with this area of licensing so if anyone's interested I'll make all of these links available in the presentation after after we'd wrap up I'll just share the presentation you're welcome to click through all of those links okay I think I'll stop there because I feel like I've been talking a lot but I'm happy to take any questions and I really appreciate your time and attention I know a lot of this can um get pretty complicated pretty quickly and forgive me for my my raspy voice it's pretty early here in the States and I think it's fun maybe allergies thank you so much dinner yes you've been gravely talking through your froggy voice but it's all very clear um I have a couple of other things back in our presentation but I see a question from Julie that this might be the best time to answer that and she's written in the chat could you just explain again the difference between collection and derivative content sure so collections and derivatives are it they can be complicated we've actually gotten guidance from our CC legal team to not not make assumptions on what is exactly considered a derivative because the definition of adaptation can change based on different countries copyright laws so at least in the u.s. a derivative piece of work is considered derivative if it has a certain amount of creativity to create it so it can't just be you know maybe changing the aspect ratio of an image online it has to be it has to actually include more creativity of the person making the derivative content not sure if I'm making it as clear as I could a collection is basically unadopted work added into your open licensed content and you have to share two or more pieces of unadopted work and a derivative would be when you you make changes that are considered original or creative and you add them into your work so you don't actually necessarily know where the original work stopped and your work began I think the the analogy that we often like to use is this TV dinner versus smoothie analogy so you can think of all of the different food components in a TV dinner as almost like collection content within a broader collection so you've got your potatoes and your I don't know your carrots and whatever else that you have in your TV dinner not in these individual separate compartments you can see each of them you would hypothetically if this were a resource you would add the license to each of them individually excuse me hmm but for a derivative that would be more comparable to a smoothie where you have all of the same ingredients but mixed together in such a creative way that you don't you don't actually see where the original content ended and your content and creativity begin it's all kind of an original slurry so that's one way to think of the difference between collections and derivatives TV dinners smoothies okay thank you very much can you see this lot back to the slide again okay that's great let me just get my [Music] okay I wanted to be sure and have some time for questions but there's just a couple of things I wanted to to say just following what general said the the detail of Licensing is so important but I don't I want to make sure from our perspective that we don't lose sight of why we do this and so you know we're trying to straddle those two things here today in the webinar so usually when you look at the definition of open education it's it says that you the why behind opening resources and practices is for three things one is to increase the accessibility of those resources a second is to increase the effectiveness of education and the third one is to reduce inequality in terms of education so zooming right into you know the the one audience that's here today in the webinar who are recipients of teaching and learning enhancement fund funding and have been asked to make the resources open it's very you know for those people this is very straightforward so we've recommended a cc-by license and the generous presentation you can see why the most open license is the most attractive because you can do the most things with it so you know if you're working on a project and you make your resource available that means anyone at any other institution in ireland or globally student or staff can take that resource and adapt it to their own particular context so adapted to their particular program their course the needs of their particular students the needs geographically where they are you know make case studies that are attuned to the learners in that particular community so it opens up the potential for use of whatever resource you've created so that gets accessibility and effectiveness and in terms of equity I'm one of the biggest arguments around open education is simply that you know many of us work in publicly funded institutions and our teaching and learning resources those that can be should be available publicly and this is a debate that's going on in many institutions now but certainly from the national forums point of view all of our work and all of the work that we fund is made available under an open license so for those people who those of you who would like to openly license your work whether that's in connection with the teaching and learning enhancement fund project or otherwise the toolkit that we published last month goes through the steps that genuine just showed you on screen live like how do you actually go in and choose your license how do you do that attribution statements just the mechanics of it really are what a lot of people have difficulty with and that's there's kind of four steps in that toolkit that describe that and with that I I think I will just open up for questions I'm gonna go to our documents maybe and just start with one of the questions that someone added to a documents and I might start up with a thorny one which is who owns the learning materials that are created or lectures and I will invite others to join in the chat here but the legal statement about who owns users is in the intellectual property policy of your institution and these vary actually across institutions so most of those IP policies have been written with a mindset of protecting intellectual property that can be monetized you know and can make money so this is kind of kind of pushing against what we're trying to do in open education so many of the universities who are really at the forefront of open education have actually revised their intellectual property policies to explicitly state that they support open education licensing and teaching and learning resources should be made openly available so for anyone who's here in the webinar I advise you that's the first place to go is to to look at the IP policy in your institution and then I'd be happy to have a conversation with anyone in Ireland and generally I don't know if you want to add anything or any of the librarians who are here in the webinar yeah I think as unless it's specified as in individuals contracts at their institutions that they are work for hire and whoever creates a lecturer or other creative content owns copyright so institutions have their their own IP rights and their own contracts with with lecturers so it depends on that but look for work for hire in the contracts yes and a couple of people have mentioned Lee Alice and others that it's you know it's it'll be in your contract so the when you get funding though if you get funding from you know from the EU or from the National Forum or whatever you know that changes things again so because the funders will have particular requirements for what you produce so you know this is where the the notion of open gets complicated but again you know for individual questions that people have about this I'm happy to have a conversation but the best place to start is you know with your own institutions requirements so lead would you like to moderate any of the questions from the chat or from the document perhaps and share those you so genin I think was clear about that and I'm glad this was mentioned because um this gets back to you know the way we we often use the word open and what it means in terms of Licensing so for example in a former round of teaching and learning enhancement fun projects here in in Ireland many of them were made freely available in that they had websites and they shared their resources but when I went back and did an audit of the licensing only a handful of them actually had Creative Commons licenses so that means you know if someone stumbles across or someone shares one of those websites with someone and there is not a Creative Commons license on it the person who finds that resource doesn't know if they can use it legally or not and by copyright law they would have to go back to the person who created it and say hey can I use this and how can I use it so the Creative Commons license means that you're just putting something on top of copyright that travels with the resource so that whoever finds that resource knows exactly what they're allowed to do with the resource so it really facilitates kind of for tuneless sharing and reuse and I don't know if anyone wants to add anything to that and this just went from wrong you so um I can't hear Li but I saw some questions coming in you and your rewind and start at the beginning the mics on though so I got to add one point on the job so I'm sure most of you see and most institutions in relation to the IP most institutions state something along the lines that in line with long-standing academic practice ideas best from the academic for their academic work within Ireland the copyright and related Rights Act is here the IP creation workers are your employer so academic practice in Ireland is customary exceptions for them thank you rob and this is where I think we can learn from other institutions who are modeling a different practice who as I said have gone and and revise their IP policy so Rob I would love to follow up that conversation with you because I think there's there's a possible opening there so thanks for that are there specific delivery platforms or hosting platforms that are more open you okay I'll jump in there and again anyone else can can join in many people in this webinar will be will remember the NDL our project in Ireland which was a repository for open materials and these existed in many other countries as well the US the UK and so on and in recent years most institutions have moved away from this model of repositories and instead relied on open licenses and enabling people to put things in different places so the University of Edinburgh for example which has a very well-known and widely copied open education policy has some repositories that it uses but it encourages academic staff to put things on YouTube on Vimeo on SlideShare on whatever platforms they wish with an open license and then they feature some of those examples so we're relying really on a kind of a network effect but the most important thing is the license so again the National Forum is is trying to to to model good practice and to make things available and kind of you know showcase open resources but we can all work in our institutions towards so it's kind of creating those in our respective institutions as well content is a username or password login second question again yeah so if the contents going back with Ramallah so if content is behind a username or password login such as the t-rex last election project generally that's not technically open I mean it has to be unfettered access and I'll just add to that in the open licensing toolkit we point out that some resources that are created by national foreign projects made for various reasons because of I'm working with sensitive communities or other restrictions that may not be able to be openly licensed and we'd like to have a conversation about that but the norm would be that we would like the default position to be that they're creative commons-licensed and instead of asking you know why things should be open why why not open and if there's a good reason why they should not be open then fine but the default we would like to be open so I think we we probably answered some of that earlier but III like the the most conclusive definition of open possible so you know free and unfettered access to the for the broadest community possible and for the longest time possible I wanted to add something and maybe give another minute if in case anyone else had any questions because we you know we've spent a lot of time talking about the mechanics but the whole reason why you might choose to use open educational resources you know covers a very broad spectrum and that could include using you know open textbooks or sharing open resources with your students you know re mixing open resources so that they're more appropriate for the learning communities who you're working with but then there's also working with students to get students to create open resources so you know working there are examples of people who've worked on creating textbooks along with their students and then openly licensing those textbooks that are co-authored by the entire class so you know and that gets to the point of redesigning assessments so that students are designing things that are designed for authentic audiences and open licensing enables you know that kind of of kind of creative teaching and learning and assessment so things like editing existing Wikipedia articles many academic staff are doing so teaching students about Creative Commons licenses once we have gotten to grips with them can unlock a lot of possibilities in terms of teaching learning and assessment and the open licensing toolkit is just going to be the first of a series resources that the National Forum will produce to help support academic staff who wants to do more work in that area so this is this moves from kind of oh we are open occasional resources into oep or open educational practices Thanks comment coming from Alice in there this is one of the most informative webinars unattended remote key everyone should watch this to understand the basics of popular stocking you see a key okay you know as someone who's working to open education for a long time I know this is you know just and you know probably any introduction and you know if it's good Allison properly it'll prompt more questions than we can answer here so you know on our on our last slide I think we have Jen runs email address and Twitter name and also mine we'd be happy to field any other questions and once again I leave the hash tags there these conversations can continue via email via Twitter or in person so we'd be more than happy to continue the discussion and I just need to say a really warm thanks to genuine for for your time and preparing everything for today and for joining us today despite your cold we really really appreciate it thank you so much for having me okay and thank you everyone for giving up your time as well and just look forward to continuing the discussion thank you